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A Bahá’í View of Homosexuality and Gay Rights?

September 20, 2013

Yesterday I came across this page titled: A Bahá’í View of Homosexuality and Gay Rights while searching on the text:
“Ye are forbidden to commit adultery, sodomy and lechery. Avoid them, O concourse of the faithful. By the righteousness of God! Ye have been called into being to purge the world from the defilement of evil passions.”

This page is not written by a Baha’i even though it pretends to represent the Baha’is of Utah. And read to the bottom of this blog where I refute most of these views:

“The Bahá’í Faith teaches that there are certain sexual practices which are “Satanic” (i.e. anything that opposes the Will of God is considered “satanic”–meaning “adversarial” to the Will of God).

Bahá’u’lláh, in the Kitab-i-Aqdas, paragraph 107, and Questions and Answers, number 49, forbids paederasty and sodomy. The following extract from one of His Tablets reveals the strength of His condemnation:

“Ye are forbidden to commit adultery (ZINA), sodomy (LIWAT) and lechery (SIHAQAQ). Avoid them, O concourse of the faithful. By the righteousness of God! Ye have been called into being to purge the world from the defilement of evil passions. This is what the Lord of all mankind hath enjoined upon you, could ye but perceive it. He who relateth himself to the All-Merciful and committeth satanic deeds, verily he is not of Me. Unto this beareth witness every atom, pebble, tree and fruit, and beyond them this ever-proclaiming, truthful and trustworthy Tongue.”

ZINA=Arabic word that means adultery as well as fornication (any heterosexual act outside of lawful marriage).

LIWAT=Arabic word meaning “the sin of the men of Lot” (i.e. Sodom). It refers to homosexual “sex acts” and not merely to anal sex as “sodomy” has come to mean in modern American English.

SIHAQAQ=Arabic word meaning “pounding” or “griding”–the female homosexual sex act between two women often called in modern American English “scissors”.

In a letter dated March 26,1950, written on his behalf, Shoghi Effendi, the authorized interpreter of the Bahá’í Teachings, further explicates the Bahá’í attitude toward homosexuality. It should be noted that the Guardian’s interpretation of this subject is based on his infallible understanding of the Texts. It represents both a statement of moral principle and unerring guidance to Bahá’ís who are homosexuals. The letter states:

“No matter how devoted and fine the love may be between people of the same sex, to let it find expression in sexual acts is wrong. To say that it is ideal is no excuse. Immorality of every sort is really forbidden by Bahá’u’lláh, and homosexual relationships He looks upon as such, besides being against nature.

“To be afflicted this way is a great burden to a conscientious soul. But through the advice and help doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap.”

Bahá’ís believe that Shoghi Effendi (shawg-khee ef-fen-dee), the great-grandson of Bahá’u’lláh, was “infallible” in His interpretations of the Law of Bahá’u’lláh. His interpretations are “infallible” and “binding” upon all Bahá’ís, and will be until the coming of the next Manifestation of God; at least 1000 literal lunar years from 1863 A.D.

The Manifesatations of God have told us that certain practices “retard the progress of the soul” in the Afterlife. Among the practices that retard the progress of the soul in the Afterlife are….

1) Adultery

2) Fornicartion

3) Liwat (male homosexual sex acts)

4) Sihaqaq (female homosexual sex acts)

We are NOT told “why” these practices retard the progress of the soul in the Afterlife. We are only told they “do”.

Bahá’u’lláh forbid His followers from practicing adultery, or fornication, or “liwat” (homosexual sex acts), or lechery. He did NOT explain “why” He forbade them! We are not given “reasons” why these retard the progess of the soul in the Afterlife; only that they do.

To be a Bahá’í means to “belonging to Baha”; meaning we have no “free will” but HIS WILL become our will. We trust He is a Manifestation of God. We trust He knows what is best for us. Like small children who can’t understand why we must eat vegitables and brush our teeth, we only trust that our parent only wants the best for us! So we obey.

In practical terms, there are gay and lesbian Bahá’ís, and some or most of them are sexually active in their private lives. This is called MOON-NAW-FEE-KOON (Hypocrisy). Moonawfeekoon is allowed in the Faith. In other words, what you do in your private life is between you and God, but, if your private behavior becomes public, then it is no longer your “private” life. Then it becomes a public matter. Gay and Lesbian Bahá’ís who speak about their sex lives face disciplinary action from the Local Spiritual Assembly (council of nine men and women who act as administrators and judges in local Bahá’í Communities).

Gay and Lesbian Bahá’ís are forbidden from…

1) Speaking about their sex lives in public.

2) Advocating that the Law of God regarding LIWAT (homosexual sex acts) be “changed” (no Holy Law can be changed except by the next Manifestation of God–the next One is now due until 1000 lunar years after 1863 A.D.)

3) Marching in Gay Rights parades.

4) Getting involved in partisan politics or entering into into political or religious arguments.”

I’ll stop quoting that page at this point.

Let’s start with what Baha’u’llah wrote:
In English we the text in a 1995 letter written from the Universal House of Justice addressed to the Baha’is of the U.S.

“To the National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá’ís of the United States

Dear Bahá’í Friends,

The Universal House of Justice has considered your letters of August 27,1993, and September 19, 1994, in which you describe the impact of the changing sexual mores and the public debate on homosexuality on some of the members of the American Bahá’í community who are homosexuals.


As you know, the Bahá’í Faith strongly condemns all blatant acts of immorality, and it includes among them the expression of sexual love between individuals of the same sex. With regard to homosexual practices, Bahá’u’lláh, in the Kitab-i-Aqdas, paragraph 107, and Questions and Answers, number 49, forbids paederasty and sodomy. The following extract from one of His Tablets reveals the strength of His condemnation:

“Ye are forbidden to commit adultery, sodomy and lechery. Avoid them, O concourse of the faithful. By the righteousness of God! Ye have been called into being to purge the world from the defilement of evil passions. This is what the Lord of all mankind hath enjoined upon you, could ye but perceive it. He who relateth himself to the All-Merciful and committeth satanic deeds, verily he is not of Me. Unto this beareth witness every atom, pebble, tree and fruit, and beyond them this ever-proclaiming, truthful and trustworthy Tongue.”

Published in American Bahá’í, 152, 23 November 1995
The full letter is online here

The text quoted above is a translation of a text in Arabic in a compilation on Bahai laws and commands (Ganjinih-yi-Hudud) compiled in Persian by Iranian scholar, Ishraq Khavari (1902-1972), third edition was in 1972.

Scan of the bottom of page 338 of Ganjinih-yi-Hudud (The Treasury of Laws and Ordinances) compiled by Ishraq Khavari. I've added the coloured areas.

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Scan of the bottom of page 338 of Ganjinih-yi-Hudud (The Treasury of Laws and Ordinances) compiled by Ishraq Khavari. I’ve added the coloured areas.
The highlighted words are: [red] “Liwaat, liwat, lewaat” and here the line reads: “The prohibitions and punishments for liwaat”
Then the next section inside quotation marks is what is in the Kitab-i-Aqdas:
”We shrink, for very shame, from treating the subject of boys.” The word marked in grey is “ghelmaan” the word for boys which clearly means a form of sex slave because of the word “shame” whereas in other contexts the term can mean (male) servant or slave. More on the term ghulaam/ghelmaan (boy/s) in the Kitab-i-Aqdas is here

The next line states that the following is from a tablet by Baha’u’llah dated August 1, 1874 (in the text it is in the Islamic Lunar calendar, 1291)

The final line of text which begins with a quotation mark: Ye are forbidden to commit [green] zenaa’ (fornication), [blue] lewaat (sexual perversions) and [yellow] kheyaanat (infidelity). The rest of the text is on the next page (339).
Ishraq-Khavari does not source his text, but as he gives the date of the text, and he most likely had access to the complete text including the colophon at the end, where the scribe usually gives his name and the date of copying and other details about the text. These have not been noted in the compiliation here, but is very likely that the U.H.J. has access to this and so I would say, we can consider this to be authentically by Baha'u'llah.

Zenaa is to do with sex not being within marriage and liwaat is do with sexual acts considered perverted. An audience of the time would have interpreted “liwaat” to mean oral or anal sex or bestiality.

Baha’u’llah also refers to ‘liwaat’ in the Questions and Answers section of the Kitab-i-Aqas, and this is also quoted in Ganjinih-yi-Hudud.

Scan of a section of page 319 of Ganjinih-yi-Hudud (The Treasury of Laws and Ordinances) compiled by Ishraq Khavari. I’ve added the coloured areas.

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Scan of the bottom of page 338 of Ganjinih-yi-Hudud (The Treasury of Laws and Ordinances) compiled by Ishraq Khavari. I’ve added the coloured areas.

The question put to Baha’u’llah: Concerning the penalties for [green] zenaa’, [blue] lewaat, and [pink] saareq, [robbery] and the degrees thereof. Baha’u’llah’s response is that these are up to the [dark green] House of Justice to determine.

As you might have noted, there is no word Arabic word for Sihaqaq in either section and so the argument about lesbians above is completely false. These comments on lesbianism that existed in Baha’u’llah’s time might be of interest.

In Islam there are prescribed punishments (believed to be set by God and therefore fixed) for crimes such as adultery (stoning) and robbery (death). I haven’t found any clear prescribed punishment for liwat but we can be sure that it will be unpleasant.

What is of note here is that Baha’u’llah was stating specifically that in Bahai Law, these are not prescribed (set by God) but fall into an area of flexibility where they will be set by the House of Justice. It would up to the U.H.J. to determine what is specifically meant by ‘liwaat’ or perhaps the definition of perverted sexual practice is something that does change according to the age? These days no one would consider rape within marriage as acceptable yet at one time it was. Of course I am just speculating here.
I do think it is revolutionary that Baha’u’llah made a clear statement to break with the expectation of a religion with rules for prescribed punishments.

The next part of the page above is the same as part of the 1995 letter penned by the U.H.J.
“In a letter dated March 26,1950, written on his behalf, Shoghi Effendi, the authorized interpreter of the Bahá’í Teachings, further explicates the Bahá’í attitude toward homosexuality. It should be noted that the Guardian’s interpretation of this subject is based on his infallible understanding of the Texts. It represents both a statement of moral principle and unerring guidance to Bahá’ís who are homosexuals. The letter states:

“No matter how devoted and fine the love may be between people of the same sex, to let it find expression in sexual acts is wrong. To say that it is ideal is no excuse. Immorality of every sort is really forbidden by Bahá’u’lláh, and homosexual relationships He looks upon as such, besides being against nature.

“To be afflicted this way is a great burden to a conscientious soul. But through the advice and help doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap.”
The full 1995 U.H.J. letter is here

There is another paragraph in this letter which follows this as listed in the 1983 compilation (“Lights of Guidance”)

“God judges each soul on its own merits. The Guardian cannot tell you what the attitude of God would be towards a person who lives a good life in most ways, but not in this way. All he can tell you is that it is forbidden by Bahá’u’lláh, and that one so afflicted should struggle and struggle again to overcome it. We must be hopeful of God’s Mercy but not impose upon it.”

(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, March 26, 1950)

I am not sure if the Universal House of Justice today would state that a Letter Written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi has the same or similar status as anything the Guardian penned himself in his role as authorized interpreter of Bahai Scripture (see why), but we have to assume that the U.H.J. still views homosexuality as something bad because while asking the Bahai community to work at removing prejudice against gays they write that the practice of homosexuality is not permitted. Yes, you might ask yourself, when am I a practising heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual and when am I not, since orientation is not just about sex?

What the letter appears to state is to say that Bahai’s are not to treat their homosexual members with inequality but that these Bahais are not permitted to practice as homosexuals. Whether this means they are not allowed to be out of the closet or are not allowed to be married is not clear.

Here’s the letter from the Universal House of Justice, Oct 27, 2010:

“The purpose of the Faith of Baha’u’llah is the realization of the organic unity of the entire human race, and Baha’is are enjoined to eliminate from their lives all forms of prejudice and to manifest respect towards all. Therefore, to regard those with a homosexual orientation with prejudice or disdain would be against the spirit of the Faith. Furthermore, a Baha’i is exhorted to be “an upholder and defender of the victim of oppression”, and it would be entirely appropriate for a believer to come to the defense of those whose fundamental rights are being denied or violated.

At the same time, you are no doubt aware of the relevant teachings of the Faith that govern the personal conduct of Baha’is. The Baha’i Writings state that marriage is a union between a man and a woman and that sexual relations are restricted to a couple who are married to each other. Other passages from the Writings state that the practice of homosexuality is not permitted. The teachings of Baha’u’llah on personal morality are binding on Baha’is, who strive, as best they can, to live up to the high standards He has established.”
The full letter is here.

I agree that “Bahá’ís believe that Shoghi Effendi (shawg-khee ef-fen-dee), the great-grandson of Bahá’u’lláh, was “infallible” in His interpretations of the Law of Bahá’u’lláh.”
Shoghi Effendi (1897 -1957) was meticulous and highly proficient in Persian, Arabic and English. As Head of the Bahai Faith he was inundated with letters and questions and so to deal with this he assigned the task of responding to these to a secretary to write on his behalf.
In response to this question: Can you make a statement which would establish the authenticity of your letters written by Ruhi or Soheil with your P.C. [sic] attached. There are still some people who continue to feel that these letters are not authorized by you and only express the personal opinions of the above writers.”
this letter was sent on his behalf;
““Whatever letters are sent in my behalf from Haifa are all read and approved by me before mailing. There is no exception whatever to this rule.””
(7 Dec 1930, cited in a letter from the UHJ 22 oct, 1996.)

However reading and approving these letters was not the same as giving them the same status as his own writing as this letter explains:

““The exact status which Shoghi Effendi has intended the friends to give to those communications he sends to individual believers is explained in the following statement written through his secretary to the National Assembly on November 16, 1932:

““As regards Shoghi Effendi’s letters to the individual Bahá’ís, he is always very careful not to contradict himself. He has also said that whenever he has something of importance to say, he invariably communicates it to the National Spiritual Assembly or in his general letters. His personal letters to individual friends are only for their personal benefit and even though he does not want to forbid their publication, he does not wish them to be used too much by the Bahá’í News. Only letters with special significance should be published there.”
Letter Written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to the N.S.A. of the U.S.A.
Published in the US Bahai Newsletter, No. 71, February 1933, pp. 1-2

Shoghi Effendi needed to focus his time on his role as official interpreter as well as the work he did in setting up the Bahai administration. Would such a meticulous person, leave the responsibility of text with the status of Bahai Law to be penned by secretaries? Of course not. However I’m not saying that these letters have no status either, just that the Universal House of Justice is not bound to follow the texts of these letters as if they are Bahai Scripture.

The writer of the page above claimed that in the Bahai writings, adultery, fornicartion, liwat and sihaqaq “retard the progress of the soul” in the afterlife.

All I could find is this a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi:

“He was grieved to hear of some of the things you describe. It shows great spiritual immaturity on the part of some of the Bahá’ís and an astonishing lack of understanding and study of the teachings. To live up to our Faith’s moral teachings is a task far harder than to live up to those noble principles the Moral Re-Armament inculcates, fine and encompassing as they are! Every other word of Bahá’u’lláh’s and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s writings is a preachment on moral and ethical conduct; all else is the form, the chalice, into which the pure spirit must be poured; without the spirit and the action which must demonstrate it, it is a lifeless form.
He judges, from what you say, that the friends have not or at least many of them have not, been properly taught in the beginning. There is certainly no objection to stressing the “four standards” of the Moral Re-Armament — though any teaching of our precious Faith would go much more deeply into these subjects and add more to them. When we realize that Bahá’u’lláh says adultery retards the progress of the soul in the afterlife — so grievous is it — and that drinking destroys the mind, and not to so much as approach it, we see how clear are our teachings on these subjects. You must not make the great mistake of judging our Faith by one community which obviously needs to study and obey the Bahá’í teachings. Human frailties and peculiarities can be a great test. But the only way, or perhaps I should say the first and best way, to remedy such situations, is to oneself do what is right. One soul can be the cause of the spiritual illumination of a continent. Now that you have seen, and remedied, a great fault in your own life, now that you see more clearly what is lacking in your own community, there is nothing to prevent you from arising and showing such an example, such a love and spirit of service, as to enkindle the hearts of your fellow Bahá’ís.
He urges you to study deeply the teachings, teach others, study with those Bahá’ís who are anxious to do so, the deeper teachings of our Faith, and through example, effort and prayer, bring about a change.”

((From a letter dated 30 September 1949 written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer)
(Compilations, The Compilation of Compilations vol II, pp. 20-21)

Perhaps somewhere Baha’u’llah did write that adultery retards the progress of the soul in the afterlife, but I couldn’t find anything. However that is a far cry from claiming that homosexuality is included as the writer claims.

Then the writer of the page above claims that it is a Bahai teaching to practice hypocrisy!
And from this he deduces that gay and lesbian Baha’is are only allowed to be in the Bahai community if they keep their orientation hidden. He also claims that these Bahais will lose their voting rights if they do not.

I have heard many stories of LGB Bahai’s being given a hard time by individuals, such as being told that they are spiritually diseased by those who claim some form of authority, but I’ve never heard of an L.S.A. actually removing someone’s voting rights because an individual identified as being gay or lesbian.

Steingass’s definition of munafiq (referred to as MOON-NAW-FEE-KOON at the top) is:

munafiq: A hypocrite, dissembler, atheist; a tale-bearer, an
informer; an enemy; atheistic, impious; hypocritical.

And Baha’u’llah hoped:

“that neither the defection of the infidels among Thy people, nor the clamor of the hypocrites (munafeqin) among Thy creatures, may avail to keep me back from Thee.” (Prayers and Meditations by Baha’u’llah, p. 142)

And as quoted in my August blog, Baha’u’llah asks us to
“Be thou of the people of hell-fire, but be not a hypocrite.”

I did a quick search to see what the Bahais of Utah website really was but came up with lots of links to disparate places. I’d suggest that if the Bahais of Utah disagree with any of the material presented on the bahaisofutah.angelfire.com They should buy the domain name bahaisofutah.com which is as of this date available and present who they really are or use the url as a portal if making a website is too much work. I’m am a webdesigner so they can contact me for a cheap deal🙂

19 comments

  1. Very thorough and interesting. I need to read it at least another two times to get your points in detail. I am familiar with much if this, but certainly not all. Thank you.


  2. It appears to me that this was likely written by Mr. Darrick Evenson. He was at one time a Mormon. I believe that he has never been an enrolled Baha’i. He has retained an interest in certain of the Baha’i teachings, particularly homosexuality and abortion, and he has written extensively on these on various internet sites, for well over a decade. He has at times presented himself as a Baha’i – and while I may be wrong, this sounds like him.

    I think you are correct that his linkage of the punishment in the next world for adultery and for homosexuality is not supported in the Writings. I believe that the reference to the punishment for adultery in the next world – impeding the progress of the soul- is in the verse of the Most Holy Book referring to a humiliating torment in the next life, paragraph 49.


    • Thanks for the reference, it is:
      God hath imposed a fine on every adulterer and adulteress, to be paid to the House of Justice:…
      Such is the penalty which He Who is the Lord of Names hath assigned them in this world; and in the world to come He hath ordained for them a humiliating torment. Should anyone be afflicted by a sin, it behoveth him to repent thereof and return unto his Lord. He, verily, granteth forgiveness unto whomsoever He willeth, and none may question that which it pleaseth Him to ordain.
      He is, in truth, the Ever-Forgiving, the Almighty, the All-Praised.”

      (Baha’u’llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 37)

      The intent is similar to the phrase “Bahá’u’lláh says adultery retards the progress of the soul in the afterlife” but if this is the reference the secretary who wrote the letter meant by “Bahá’u’lláh says” then it is very different in tone. In Bahá’u’lláh’s words the person will suffer “a humiliating torment” and it is something that can be forgiven (“granteth forgiveness”). In the Letter on behalf of Shoghi Effendi it is stated as a matter of fact that the soul is damaged. I’m not disputing that adultery is bad, just showing that there are differences between the Letter and what Baha’u’llah wrote and so I’d go with Bahai Scripture on this.


  3. This looks like a very thorough (and therefore important) rebuke of the lazy accusations people tend to make about the Baha’i Faith in regards to homosexuality. Whether the writer is a Baha’i, Mormon or Atheist doesn’t change anything if his/her research is genuine.

    However… if the writer is indeed a web-designer, I reckon he/she must be able to find a different WordPress template to feature their work. An article this thorough shouldn’t appear so difficult to read. As a fellow blogger, I hope this comes across as constructive!


    • Thanks for the critique what is hard for you to read? Is the text too small?


  4. Thanks, Sonja! The misinformation contained on the “Baha’i Faith of Utah” site (http://bahaisofutah.angelfire.com/) is stunning. For example, Baha’u’llah climbed Mt. Carmel in 1891 and there proclaimed “…that He was the Son of Man; the promised incarnation of the Holy Ghost (Spirit of Truth).” Really? Thanks for deconstructing so carefully the totally inaccurate page about homosexuality and the Baha’i Faith.


    • Hi justabahai. Yes, the font appears quite small and wide margins squeeze all of your content into a narrow column down the middle. I’m on a typical MacBook & find that most WordPress/Blogger sites have easy readability but maybe it’s just me. If I’m the only one who has mentioned this, please disregard!

      In any case I appreciate your efforts & will continue reading. Never trust an angelfire account, is what I’ve learned!


    • Yes you are the first, but that doesn’t matter. I’d chosen this style so it would be narrow consciously so it would read on many old devices and the font size is on the small side, but I figured that anyone who needed it would enlarge the font size using their browser. I am happy to put these instructions on the blog so viewers can read things more easily. Which browser do you use? As a rule I design for older settings because those with the newer toys have ways of adjusting things like font size while the older systems don’t. Also it comes from my work in education where often schools only had the worst computers to work with. So yes, unlike many designers, I don’t design with the idea that my stuff will look brilliant – just that it will look ok on many systems.

      Angelfire was a free service from the nineties like many other free places and that some of these sites are still around means that their set up was pretty robust. My guess is that that site has been up for a decade or so, and it seems a pity that the Bahais of Utah still haven’t gotten around to creating a website covering similar topics but with accurate information so it would then be clear to any one looking for them that this was not their website.


  5. well, I dont know — but I believe Bahai laws — the laws of Aqdas, are evolutionary. From what I understand the law on 2 wives has been reduced to 1 wife. From what i understand alcohol is forbidden, but smoking is discouraged — this would have been for practical reasons — H Bahaullah as patriarch of the Bahai community (and also the Messiah) would have asked the followers to be good. To not have smoked would have identified and endangered Babis 100 years ago,
    The laws are evolutionary from what I understand. Its the spirit behind the law that is important


    • Thanks Robert N, Actually I disagree with you about the Law of the Aqdas being evolutionary.

      re: your statement about two wives.

      “God hath prescribed matrimony unto you. Beware that ye take not unto yourselves more wives than two. Whoso contenteth himself with a single partner from among the maidservants of God, both he and she shall live in tranquillity.”,
      Baha’u’allah, Kitab-i-Aqdas, paragraph 63

      and
      “You asked about polygamy. According to the text (nass) of the Divine Book, having two wives is lawful and legal (ja’iz). This was never (abadan) prohibited, but it is legitimate and allowed (halal wa mubah). You should therefore not be unhappy, but take justice into your consideration so that you may be as just as possible. What has been said was that since justice is very difficult, therefore tranquility is in one wife. But in your case, you should not be unhappy.”
      ‘Abdu’l-Baha, cited in Amr wa Khalq 4: 174, translated by Sen McGlinn.

      So you are wrong ‘Abdu’l-Baha recommends one spouse, but this is not a change of Bahaú’llah’s law which was an endorsement of the Bab’s law on this. See Sen McGlinn’s blog which explains this in more detail. http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/the-puzzle-of-the-aqdas-joining-a-few-pieces/#polygamy

      I think you have mixed something up. The Bahai principle of progressive relevation is the idea that successive religions build on the truths or principles of earlier messagers. Another Bahai principle found in the writings is a stress on context, and flexibility and that’s why we have the UHJ with the ability to make and change Bahai policy or law. This has nothing to do with Bahaú’llah’s writing being evolutionary. The UHJ has chosen at times in the past to make policy where some laws are not always binding, but that is not evolutionary – rather it is UHJ policy.


  6. So justabaha’i promotes sodomy probably because he is trying to justify his own self not religious based lifestyle?
    PS. Besides official Catholic and Islamic doctrines against sodomy, the Dalai Lama of Tibetan Buddhism interprets sexual misconduct to include lesbian and gay sex, and indeed any sex other than penis-vagina intercourse, including oral sex, anal sex, and masturbation or other sexual activity with the hand; the only time sex is acceptable is when it performed for its natural purpose of procreation.[75] However, like Baha’i doctrine the Dalai Lama supports human rights for all, “regardless of sexual orientation.”


    • Chris Johnson, you have misunderstood this posting. I do not promote anything here except to try and understand what could be meant by the term “liwaat” and the context for Bahaú’llah’s prohibitions. And what all this could mean in a society based on equality.


  7. Abdul Baha spoke out against calling people hypocrites and infidels.

    Abdul-Baha’s Tablet of a Thousand Verses:

    “In the religion of God, there is no practice of declaring believers to be morally corrupt (tasfiq) or of declaring them not believers (takfir), nor is debasing or showing contempt for others permitted.” Majmu`ih-‘i Makatib, INBA Private Printing Volume 59 (Tehran: National Baha’i Archives, 1978; digitally reprinted, East Lansing, Mi.: H-Bahai, 2000), pp. 340. Tr. Juan Cole.

    Arabic terms

    Mu’min — Believer
    Muslim — Submitter [to God]
    Fasiq — Open sinner, corrupt
    Fajir — Sinner (by action)
    Kafir — Concealer of the Truth (Non-Muslims)
    Munafiq — Hypocrite

    Example: Most Muslims hold a person can be a fasiq and still be a Muslim. Mutazili hold that a fasiq is actually a munafiq. The Baha’is of Utah website take the same position on this, but substitutes Bahai for Muslim. Khajirites held a more extreme position that a munafiq is actually a kafir and not a Muslim.

    The jurist Wasil ibn Ata (700-748 CE) submitted that a fasiq remained a member of Muslim society, so retained rights to life and property though he could not hold a religious position. This opinion set him at odds with Mu’tazilite jurists who considered a fasiq to be a munafiq (hypocrite), and the Kharijites who considered the fasiq a kafir. To the Kharijites “faith without works” was worthless, so one who professed Islam yet sinned was fasiq, and thus a kafir.

    Obviously, takfir is the well known process of declaring someone to be a kafir. Tasfiq is similar, but declaring a person to be a fasiq rather than a kafir. Declaring someone a munafiq (tamnafiq or tanmafiq I guess) would be somewhere in between, declaring someone to be a munafiq. All of these are condemned by Abdul Baha as per the quote I gave.


    • thank for you for sharing Abdul Baha’s text speaking against calling people hypocrites and infidels, but I don’t have any idea of why you posted this here.


    • I posted it here because the green referenced text does call people hypocrites.

      In practical terms, there are gay and lesbian Bahá’ís, and some or most of them are sexually active in their private lives. This is called MOON-NAW-FEE-KOON (Hypocrisy). Moonawfeekoon is allowed in the Faith. In other words, what you do in your private life is between you and God, but, if your private behavior becomes public, then it is no longer your “private” life. Then it becomes a public matter. Gay and Lesbian Bahá’ís who speak about their sex lives face disciplinary action from the Local Spiritual Assembly (council of nine men and women who act as administrators and judges in local Bahá’í Communities).

      Gay and Lesbian Bahá’ís are forbidden from…

      1) Speaking about their sex lives in public.

      2) Advocating that the Law of God regarding LIWAT (homosexual sex acts) be “changed” (no Holy Law can be changed except by the next Manifestation of God–the next One is now due until 1000 lunar years after 1863 A.D.)

      3) Marching in Gay Rights parades.

      4) Getting involved in partisan politics or entering into into political or religious arguments.

      The above is a stark contrast between the Baha’is of Utah and Abdul Baha.

      The terms would be examples. If gay Baha’is sin secretly, according to the author they would be a fajir probably. If they are open about it, they would be a fasiq. The author calls them a munafiq. This represent the Mutazili view I referenced earlier where being a fasiq and being a munafiq are one and the same. This contrasts with mainstream and Khajirites views on the issue.

      Arabic terms

      Mu’min — Believer
      Muslim — Submitter [to God]
      Fasiq — Open sinner, corrupt
      Fajir — Sinner (by action)
      Kafir — Concealer of the Truth (Non-Muslims)
      Munafiq — Hypocrite

      These are considered six separate categories in mainstream categorization. One can be in multiple categories at once, but noting is intrinsically tied. There are other views. Mutazili conflate fasiq with munafiq and Khajirites conflate fasiq with kafir.

      “In the religion of God, there is no practice of declaring believers to be morally corrupt (tasfiq) or of declaring them not believers (takfir), nor is debasing or showing contempt for others permitted.” Majmu`ih-’i Makatib, INBA Private Printing Volume 59 (Tehran: National Baha’i Archives, 1978; digitally reprinted, East Lansing, Mi.: H-Bahai, 2000), pp. 340. Tr. Juan Cole.

      So according to the Baha’is of Utah, it’s okay to declare people corrupt sinners (fasiq), hypocrites (munafiq), infidels (kafir), debase them, and show contempt for them if they’re gay basically.

      This shows why I posted the info.


  8. Thanks, i guess you missed this in my comments above (read my first sentence in grey). It seems clear that the ‘green’ text is written by someone posing as the Bahais of Utah and this person is someone with a grip against the Bahais. So there’s no need to refute anything because the Bahais of Utah are not saying this stuff.

    Also, your claims about what the Bahais (whether they are gay or not) do as if this is some sort of truth statement is to me silly. Just to refer to one of your declarations, of course Bahais can march in a gay pride!


  9. You wrote: “I did a quick search to see what the Bahais of Utah website really was but came up with lots of links to disparate places. I’d suggest that if the Bahais of Utah disagree with any of the material presented on the bahaisofutah.angelfire.com They should buy the domain name bahaisofutah.com which is as of this date available and present who they really are or use the url as a portal if making a website is too much work. I’m am a webdesigner so they can contact me for a cheap deal :)”

    To this date, the website still hasn’t come into existence. There is still no rebuttal. They haven’t said anything about disagreeing. It is either laziness or silent agreement.


  10. The print on this is too small to read on my Amazon


    • Thanks for your comment, I suggest you change the settings on your reader. There should be a menu for this so you can make the font size larger.



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